We’ve had a recent furor over the internet with certain individuals (whose motives are yet to be established) looking to degrade the Ministry and personal life of the Pastor of Cloverdale Bibleway. The sensitive information which was irresponsibly broadcasted over the internet for the public to peruse could only have been put out there by a juvenile with close ties to the breakaway group that now seems to be targeting other people of the same stage in life i.e. young people. The involvement of “elders” from the new group has been one where the blogger tsanning says they sent her/him the material. These claims are somewhat difficult to understand. Elders in a church sending a juvenile, “annonymous” blogger sensitive information that documents things that may destroy marriages and family relationships. It’s a far-fetched story. Either the “elders” are cowards to begin with or this juvenile is one of their children who managed to access this information in the home. After being banned from the blog in question, we started our own. As a welcome message; take a look at the posting that got us banned. i.e. The posting that tsanning does not want you to read:
- 1. Bro. Batsi
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I would like to begin by congratulating tsanning on her/his unprecedented success in creating this forum of discussion. I quite admire the resourcefulness exhibited in being able to access all the information that has thus far been presented as facts to us, the spectators.
I would also like to introduce myself as a man born on this planet in the 20th century under the same conditions as most people who are now between the ages of 18 and 40. i.e. the video game generation/information age. I am in fact a beneficiary of the message that is preached by Ed Byskal although I can say that our assembly here in South Africa has no financial connection to CBW as far as I know. I have come into contact with various religions and religious orders in my course of life. I was educated by Jesuits in a Catholic junior school, was in an Anglican high school, came from a Methodist home and have relatives who practice ancestral worship to this day. I have also delved into Islam during my journey and was an avid practitioner of the religion of Hip Hop. (Yes; it is a religion). From all my experiences there is no higher form of worship with power contained in it to transform a human being than the message preached by pastors such as Ed Byskal and our own pastors and elders here in South Africa. That is my personal “statement of faith” as it were.
tsanning; our host; has had many comments and subsequent replies which are very interesting to observe. The dialogue that draws my attention the most is the exchange between her/himself and Madibawitbank.
I think that he has asked some very pertinent questions which unfortunately have been brushed off as “muddled thinking” and “rambling”. Now, we must understand that in South Africa there are 11 official languages of which English is but one. What may seem straightforward to someone like myself may seem difficult to decipher for a North American. This being understood I’ve looked through what Madibawitbank had to say and viewed tsanning’s responses and I have the following questions remaining in my mind:
– What does tsanning stand for? i.e. what would be her/his point of reference when it comes to religion. There were some references including quotes from the Bible, William Marrion Branham and Bob Dylan. Dylanite maybe? What I would like to know is this. If I can leave this Message or an assembly such as Ed Byskal’s; where would tsanning point me to?
-Where is she getting such sensitive information from? What relationship, if any, does she have with the “elders” of the church who left the assembly. If my elders were unable to fight a battle publicly on mine or the assembly’s behalf but rather resort to feeding internal information to an entity whose identity,motives and standpoint are still unknown (well, at least to myself) I would have serious reservations about their ability to maintain that office. One may even suggest that they lack backbone.
These are my main concerns with this issue. If tsanning or any of the “elders” may answer these for me, I would greatly appreciate it and maybe, we’ll be able to discuss the issues concerning conduct, order and doctrine in a Christian assembly once we get to uncover these things.
To tsanning: Kindly respond to Madibawitbank’s concerns as well and spare some patience for Christians whose first language may not be English. What may seem like “ramblings” and “muddled thinking” may be a sincere attempt at communication. In South Africa, we are quite accustomed to racial bias so I’m sure the Brother took no offence but please; focus on the questions and not your own prejudice. You did say; “I hate bullies and will always try to stand up for those that are being mistreated.” Frankly speaking, I think you’ve mistreated the person on a cultural/racial basis and at the risk of being called a hypocrite please respond as best you can so we may all continue to enjoy this wonderful platform of debate that you have so masterfully created.
I have by the way read ALL the posts, downloaded and watched the Sermon in question as per tsanning’s requirements of participation.
I’m sure we’ll hear more from each other as we proceed.
God bless you.
Censorhip? Definitely. I wonder why she/he won’t allow this comment to be aired. the poor thing has even resorted to editing people’s posts to exclude certain information. We’ll continue on. Here’s to 50 years of ministry! We look forward to other “elders” standing the test of time.